A
deal with Iran over its nuclear program would benefit the US as it needs to
change its policy in the Middle East, and even build a constructive relationship
with critical regional powers, said Hillary Mann Leverett, a former US
negotiator with Iran.
RT: Hopes
are high that the six world powers and Iran who have been holding talks in the
Swiss city of Lausanne will reach a deal by Wednesday evening. What kind of
document do you expect to come out of these talks?
Hillary
Mann Leverett: I
would assume at this point we can still really think of only a vague document
coming out of these talks. There does not seem to be agreement on many of the
details, much of the substance that would be detailed in the final agreement.
But that
is not really the purpose of what they were trying to get by [Wednesday
evening]. This was supposed to be a political understanding of what the
agreement would entail, and a final agreement then would be drafted by June 30.
So my sense is that if we get an agreement it will be focused more on a
reaffirmation in a sense of a core bargain that they struck back in November
2013: that the parties would proceed toward resolving this conflict by Iran
agreeing in negotiated contacts to constraints on its nuclear program in
exchange for comprehensive lifting of sanctions.
And
that is where I think the parties have really got stuck, because the
comprehensive lifting of sanctions is something that is not technical. It doesn’t
involve nuclear physicists at the table, it requires real political will. And I
think that’s where we’ve
seen the brinkmanship.
RT: If
a deal is agreed on, what kind of reaction is it likely to trigger on Capitol
Hill?
HL: I
think the reaction will be negative, regardless of what the deal is. Some
people in Washington, I think, disingenuously claim that it depends on whether
it is a ‘good deal’
or ‘bad deal’.
But there is no ‘good deal’
for many of the lawmakers in Washington, the 47 senators who sent this letter
to Iran, there’s no good deal for them with the Islamic
Republic of Iran. Their agenda is regime change. They would be happy for an
Iran under a kind of Shah, an American puppet, to have nuclear weapons. But
they are not really interested in an independent state to have any nuclear
weapons. So I think they would oppose any deal.
I
think because of that reality, the focus of the talks in this session has been
not so much, not I really think at all, on the US sanctions, but how to really
put that in its own box and deal with something more internationally. The focus
has been on the UN sanctions, which Congress has no say over. The United States
could agree to lift UN sanctions in five minutes. I saw it done on Libya; I saw
it done on Sudan. The United States can do it in five minutes; they don’t
need to consult with anybody in Congress. And that is what I’m
talking about in terms of political will.
It’s
up to President Obama whether he will agree and literally pick up the phone and
call the UN ambassador and say: “Either vote for
the lifting of sanctions or abstain.” It’s
all he needs to do. That’s a question of
political will; the rest of it is really just political posturing.
HL: We’ve
actually seen a bad scenario of this happening in the past. In the late 1970s
under President Carter, his administration had negotiated the SALT II treaty
with Moscow, with the Soviet Union. And the way he sold it was as if was a “technical
agreement,” that we were “imposing
meaningful curbs” on the Soviet Union’s
strategic capacity. The Congress defeated it. It was a devastating failure for
President Carter.
We
could potentially be looking at something like that if President Obama plays
the same game by saying that he’s essentially
going to hold his nose while he is negotiating with Iran and just try to focus
on a narrow technical agreement. He needs to make the case, the strategic case
why a fundamental realignment of US policies in the Middle East toward the
Islamic Republic of Iran is imperative for the United States, that after a
decade of disastrous military interventions in the Middle East, the United
States needs a different way. It needs a constructive way forward with Iran.
But he has not done that. Instead, my concern is that he is following President
Carter’s route. Essentially Carter’s
view was that the Soviet Union was an unreconstructed adversary, evil empire in
a sense, and he was just going to hold his nose and try to get the SALT II
treaty passed. Well, he lost the election in 1980, we got Ronald Reagan, and
that was the end of that.
RT: If
a deal is reached, how is it likely to change regional dynamics for America's
main allies in the region Israel and Saudi Arabia, who both strongly oppose a
deal?
HL: I think it
will be very good for the United States. After the end of the Cold War, the
United States has gone through a period I think some would call of arrogance,
essentially trying to impose its dominance on various regions of the world,
including the Middle East. And those who want to go along with it, we
characterize them as allies, when they are not really allies per se, they are
just going along with the United States. What we really need is constructive
relationships with each of the critical powers in the region so that they can
restraint even the reckless impulses of our so-called allies. It’s not in
our interests when Israel bombs Lebanon, Israel bombs Gaza. It’s not in
our interest when Saudis invade Yemen. If you have a better relationship with
Iran, it will constrain these reckless impulses of even our allies, and allow
the United States to get off this dangerous trajectory of trying to impose its
own military dominance on the region.
“We will hear a lot of
condemnation on Capitol Hill”
Former
US diplomat Jim Jatras suggests there would be a lot of condemnation in the US
Congress over the nuclear agreement with Iran despite its content and
framework.
“It
is safe to say that there are a lot of Republicans and frankly a lot of
Democrats who will not be happy with any agreement the Iranians will be willing
to sign. I think we will hear a lot of condemnation about this agreement,
whatever it says, whatever the framework is, regardless of what the details are
to be arrived at later.”
Jim
Jatras also expects to see a kind of power struggle between Congress and
President Obama about the President’s authority to
implement this agreement “which
under the American law will not be a treaty and will not be passed by Congress.”
A
possible U-turn on Iran’s nuclear
program in subsequent years will be largely dependent on who gets elected in
2016, but the chances that it could happen are not completely small, Jatras
suggests.
“Let’s
take the obvious question of the lifting of sanctions. There are statutes in
place that authorize President Obama to extend sanctions but it also allows him
to wave those sanctions. He can to a large extent unilaterally lift the
sanctions on Iran if that’s
a part of what is agreed to in this agreement. The next president could very
well put those sanctions back on if he disagrees with what Mr. Obama agreed to.”
According
to the former diplomat some of the US’s key allies
would like to see military action against Iran regardless of whether it has a
nuclear capability or not.
“It’s
a part of a larger struggle in which Saudi Arabia is so to speak the leader of
the Sunni camp, and Iran the leader of the Shia camp. And they would like to
see Iran essentially destroyed as a major power in the region. This nuclear
deal does not accomplish that obviously and I think it’s
unacceptable largely for that reason.” Published time: April 01, 2015 12:23 RT. See Flynt & Hillary
Mann Leverett, Going to Tehran: Why the United States Must Come to
Terms with the Islamic Republic of Iran, Metropolitan Books, 2013.
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